Bonus – Reflections on Creativity
Stuart Higginbotham, Brandon Nonnemaker and Meg McPeek talk creativity, new beginnings, playlists, simmer pots, candles, poems and dreams, magic and who is that outside the window? Oh, he’s on the phone, it’s fine.
This bonus episode was recorded on Jan. 5, 2026 in Stuart’s office.
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[Stuart] All right, we’re live. It’s back.
[Meg] So we’re back. To let you know…
[Meg] That we’ve missed you since Advent. Or since Lent, and now it’s Advent.
[Stuart] It’s been three years since we’ve been with you all.
[Meg] And we’ve forgotten what our intro is. But welcome everyone to Glimpses of Grace.
[Brandon] And apparently what time it is.
[Meg] Oh, yeah. We’re like, no, I know it’s, I know it’s 3:30.
[Brandon] This is the best start ever.
[Meg] It really is.
[Stuart] So, yeah, so it’s been since Lent since we did one of these. We’ve posted the sermons and all, of course, but we’ve had a lot of different things come up.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] A lot of stuff to work on. A lot of, you know, changes in life, shifts, a lot going on in the world. A lot of that. But yeah, so we’re back. So it’s good to have a chance to catch up.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Stuart] So what’s going on with you? And what’s going on with you?
[Meg] We’re all just looking at each other. The you, Stuart’s referring to, it’s Meg and Brandon. We’re all three of us back together.
[Brandon] We haven’t seen each other in two years.
[Meg] Not since last Lent.
[Brandon] No, it’s good though.
[Brandon] No, there’s, yeah, there’s just been a lot that’s going on.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Stuart] Mhm.
[Meg] There’s a whole lot. Where do we want to start? This is like catch up with your best friend that lives across the country that you see like over the holidays.
[Stuart] So, that’s a way to start though. Like if I’m not a New Year’s resolution person. I don’t know if you two are. Like I’m not a big resolution person. But I do love, I do love the space to mark a shift in time.
[Meg] Yes.
[Stuart] And just pay kind of closer attention to things I want to work on or focus on, but not in like, not in that way. If that makes sense.
[Brandon] I’ve been doing that with playlists lately. Like something I enjoyed, have enjoyed doing the past few years is putting together a playlist for the past year. But with turning 40 this year, I’ve been doing like just little, little short playlists. Um, sort of anchoring different things in time. Just things that.
[Stuart] Like what are some themes that you.
[Brandon] Um, well, right now it’s sort of around embodiment.
[Meg] Oh.
[Brandon] You know. Um, with our sermons that, you know.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Brandon] That’s sort of been playing a piece and yeah, just sort of that’s where I’m sitting with my current playlist. The most recent one was the cave, you know.
[Stuart] You did a playlist on the cave?
[Brandon] Yeah. Yeah. So.
[Stuart] So you did one for me a while back on fire, which I still go back to a lot, which was very fun. I love that idea.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Brandon] Yeah, playlists for me are a fun way to kind of mark those, those shifts that you’re talking about, you know. Sort of collecting things in song.
[Stuart] Mhm.
[Brandon] If you will.
[Stuart] So what did you, what are like two different ones that you had on the pot on the playlist around cave?
[Brandon] Well, a, a really clear one, Mumford and Sons, “The Cave.”
[Meg] Yeah.
[Brandon] Yeah, yeah. Um, no, off the top of my head, I can’t, I can’t quite remember. But sometimes there’ll be songs that pop up in in different places in life or things that, yeah, go sort of more thematically with.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Brandon] With that idea that I’m kind of holding and meditating on. But um, because you need. But a lot of times it will be more like kind of like a yearbook, you know, like, like maybe that song pops up during that time and I add it to the playlist.
[Stuart] Like I want to do one now on dreams. I think it’d be fun to do a playlist on dreams. And just see like who has different songs that connect with the image of dreams.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] Wouldn’t be, yeah. That would be fun to do.
[Meg] See, I love getting playlists. I’m not good at curating my own.
[Stuart] I’ve never really done it a lot.
[Meg] I think.
[Stuart] I know.
[Meg] My creative self tends to be more spontaneous. So there’s no rhyme or reason. So it’s almost like making a playlist is almost like knitting to me. Like I don’t have, it’s like the idea of counting stitches and like the meticulousness of like wanting to put it together in a certain way. I I tend to be more like Animal from The Muppet Show.
[Brandon] But but it is also, it is also curating though. So like do you collect things? Have you ever collected anything?
[Meg] No. Not with any kind of intentionality or rhyme or reason. Now there on the back end, it does all feel very intentional, but I’m very much like this is how I feel in this moment, so this is what I’m going to do. Like I think that’s why certain um, certain rituals that I have in my life, like marking a change in time, like I I’ve been very interested lately that it’s not just a seasonal place or like a mark of a year, but like any moment could be a a a change. And so things that may on the outside look spontaneous, I feel very, very um, drawn and staunch in doing. Like I knew that there was one day over the break before the new year, I needed to open all the windows in the house.
[Stuart] Mhm.
[Meg] Was compelled. Open all the windows and like start moving the energy around to kind of like move things out. Um, putting together different herbs together that I keep like on my counter or in our simmer pot. Like it’s all very, like it’s intentional in that moment, but it doesn’t last long. It, they’re like, they don’t last very long. Does that make sense? It’s why I like sculpture. I go and I do and then I walk away.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Stuart] Cuz so like, I mean to go back to what you were saying with with these playlists, cuz I think that’s how I would use them. Like I think I would use them for a period of of time, but I think I would let them go. Like do you let them go?
[Brandon] Well, see that, yeah, no, that’s the thing. I’m realizing.
[Brandon] How long do them?
[Brandon] I may, I may come back to them. I don’t know. But rarely do I.
[Stuart] I know. That’s what it makes me think about. I think I’m somewhere in the middle.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Brandon] And I’ve always in the past when I’ve curated playlists is is I share them. But these playlists I’m finding I’m not. I’m just using them to sort of just play. Um.
[Stuart] I think that’s great.
[Brandon] And not not really with the intention to share.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] I think that’s great to to kind of look at. There’s someone outside the window right now and I’m not entirely sure. So if you hear that, this, yeah, no, I think he’s fine.
[Meg] He’s fine.
[Stuart] Going back to what we were saying.
[Meg] He’s fine.
[Stuart] Oh, he was on the phone. He just walked by. He’s fine. Totally fine.
[Stuart] So, going back to what you were saying with the simmer pots.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] Say a little more about the simmer pots because that’s that’s another that I want to pick up too. Yes, describe this for us. I just want to talk with both of you and pick all the really cool things that you do and then I want to do.
[Meg] It’s not even about, it’s not even about the simmer pots though. Like sometimes I will use different herbs or things that I feel drawn to for whatever, whatever I feel the need to like recenter myself around.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Meg] Um, so the other night I have sheets of beeswax. And so I put some chamomile, I put um, some sage, I put some rose, and I rolled it all up to burn along with the candle. Like it’s just symbolically what I feel drawn to either to recenter my intention if I feel the need for like some sort of um, alignment or protection, something like that. Like.
[Stuart] There’s the…
[Meg] So, that, that’s a creative process for me that makes me feel like I can honor my small, when I feel very small in the universe. Does that make sense? Like things are changing, things are shifting. I want to align with the intentionality of the energy, right? Hence New Year’s resolution, right? You see all the things on social media, it’s like go on the creatine diet or whatever or join Planet Fitness. It’s like all of this energy around this newness, this new you, new year. And the older I get, the less I find that that resonates, but what does resonate is this energetic momentum to a new year, but I’m very mindful that I don’t always know what that means for me and I’m okay for that.
[Stuart] So when you make one of those candles, and you, so you lay out the sheet of beeswax, gather the herbs, put and then is there a wick? Do you.
[Meg] Yeah, I have a wick and then you roll it up around it.
[Stuart] Oh, see, I’m totally going to do that too.
[Brandon] But it’s more about the energy. See, when you said simmer pot, I was thinking more of like smell, like the sense of smell, but like that sounds to me more like sort of what you’re just tangibly or like even, well, no, it’s not even like what you see that’s beautiful. It’s just sort of things that you’re that their energy.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Brandon] Like you’re drawn to.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Brandon] And I feel that that’s where I feel to me that is that’s always how my creative process has worked. And it took me a long time to be okay with that that it feels from the outset kind of looks sort of weird, very erratic and very spontaneous.
[Stuart] Well it’s also very freeing.
[Meg] Yeah, it’s like I lose myself in it.
[Stuart] I mean there’s there’s a lot of trust in that. Like I do that with poems and dreams. Like when I write one, I love it. But then I let it go. And it’s hard sometimes to like I have to go I mean maybe a year. I mean I store them all. I you know, I type them in. But I I may not go back to them for a year. And then when I do go back, I’m really brutal. In the sense of which ones I carry forward and which ones I just totally let go. And for me that’s a trusting piece too. Like I don’t, I don’t want to hold on to them.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Stuart] I get that.
[Stuart] I don’t want to hold on to them.
[Meg] I think the trust piece is important.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Meg] For all three of us in a way that I didn’t really think about until you just said the word, but I trust myself in the process of my own process of of unfolding and and creating. You trust yourself in making those playlists whether you share them or not. Like it is it’s how they need to go.
[Brandon] But see, it’s fascinating to me because like I I come at it differently, right? Like for the listener, we’re moving into this adult forum, well combined, intergenerational forum, looking at The Artist’s Way and what it means to be creative and our call to be um, to respond as as creative beings even though we feel like we have to, maybe we don’t feel creative or whatever that might look like. But something actually Evelyn said was around, you know, productivity.
[Stuart] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[Brandon] Yesterday and that our culture pushes us to be productive.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Brandon] And I feel myself lean into that a lot, right? Like I’m thinking of the way you approach creativity is very different than the way I do, but I can learn from that and I really desire to be more trusting of just like in the moment going, hey, this is being made. You know, I’m thinking of like with pottery. Mallory does that really well. Like she’s like, okay, the clay, like let’s see what this clay becomes, this gnome that she’s creating, right? And I I like to go in and if I’m working on the wheel, it’s it’s really hard for me to feel the slump of clay and go, what do you want to become? You know, like I’m like, okay, no, I’m building a bowl or or whatever. Like. But I’m coming at from a from more that productive place of like what what am I producing? And in this moment and hearing you talk, like just sort of this call to to just trust and be in the moment and like, okay, I’m creating what let’s let’s see what happens. Let’s see what.
[Brandon] And you don’t like…
[Stuart] I just love how.
[Brandon] We don’t do that enough.
[Stuart] I mean one of the things that came out in the class on Sunday and I used the word, I thought about it I for a while I wanted to get the word in the room, you know, magic. And I wanted to find a way to get it in the room. And it finally just kind of opened up this space and I said it out loud and I said, you know, I’m I’m going to use this word because I think it is really true in this sense.
[Brandon] How did it come up? Cuz I guess I missed that.
[Stuart] So we were talking about different different gifts, different strengths and how we have to honor, like we have to find a way, like there’s a, you know, universality to gifts. You know, like how Spirit pours gifts into the space, into the world. And there’s also distinctive gifts. And those are not exclusive of each other. They both go hand in hand. And so the way I said it, I said, you know, each of us has a magic. And part of our challenge, our call is to discern what that is and then grow it. You know, how do you nurture that? What does that look like? And I, it was funny when I said it, I like I darted my eyes, you know, like around the room and and several people nodded because I think there’s something really primal and key about that we so seldom talk about in quote unquote church. Because of all that can go along with that with the baggage of it. But I think and then I really appreciated right after I said that, Sister Genevieve followed up and said, it’s the mystery piece of it that we have to find a way to honor. Like this comes from somewhere. Like your gifts, you know, with music. Of course you find some way to embody that with a playlist and music and images. Yours with earth. Of course you find some way to honor that and take bring the earth into candles, finding a way on that like, you know, elemental level.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] I think. And I just love it.
[Brandon] I think the church struggles with that balance, that weird tension between.
[Stuart] I do.
[Brandon] You know. How did you just say it? Like the um, primal. You know, that institutional piece of the church and and power that comes with that and that fight against.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Brandon] Just sort of what is primal and innate and being human. Like I don’t know, there’s just some weird tension there and that’s a whole other.
[Stuart] That’s a whole other thing.
[Stuart] Because because I do think it’s really real. Like, you know, since since we last did this, we’ve had two outdoor, you know, services.
[Meg] Services.
[Stuart] Or liturgies. I was trying to find the word to like cuz they’re not just that.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Stuart] That’s part of the rub for me is.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Stuart] It’s not just a service like a typical service.
[Meg] Right.
[Stuart] It’s much more embodied and engaged than coming in a building as wonderful as it is and as glad that I am for it. Like taking the time on a cold morning and to be able to do that on the winter solstice and mark that turning.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Stuart] And have 40 people come outside in the cold. You know, as the sun started to rise. That was powerful.
[Meg] It was and it makes me think about, you know, I find that community is really necessary in holding space for people to fully embrace and and grow into their magic. That we need one another to give ourselves the space to figure it out.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Meg] Um, and when you take prescription out of our church community, like for so having the outdoor service takes a lot of prescription out of it. Because when we come in the building, we know what we’re supposed to do. Like you know how, I know how my children to act. I know how I want to act. Like we know this is how these rituals go.
[Stuart] Mhm.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Meg] But moving it to a different place takes take some of that out of it.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Meg] And it creates a whole different sense of a community and a togetherness that holds the space.
[Brandon] It adds in the wild.
[Stuart] It does…
[Brandon] You know, like the.
[Stuart] Adds in the primal.
[Brandon] The the the wind, the the birds.
[Stuart] Well, I mean that was the thing for me was this crow.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Stuart] I mean right after I finished reading, you know, the gospel and had some thoughts, just some sparse thoughts, I just stopped and turned and looked at the tree where the crow was and the crow was just, it had a lot to say.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Stuart] So something that would have been seen as like a disturbance in a church building was celebrated outside with the trees.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] And I think that’s that gives me a lot to think about. Like how we use and approach what a service quote is.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Brandon] That is funny. It makes me think of just just yesterday. How both of us looked at one another when we heard the mourning dove.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Brandon] You know, and it was like in in the church building, that was much more of a distraction in a sense or the wind the other couple weeks ago, you know, the other day.
[Stuart] Mhm.
[Brandon] But I think the more that we can find ways to actually, I mean it goes back to the trust piece, right? I mean for me, like if I’m giving a sermon and there’s a bird or something, like how willing am I to pause and actually acknowledge it and weave that thread in as part of what we’re all sharing in that moment. Like that’s where, you know, some real primal pieces can I think people it and it helps people connect with that part of themselves. You know, it’s like we talked about, I mean during the forum as well, like how can we move past like this kind of urge that or, you know, impulse that folks have when they come in to talk, they all lead by saying, you know, I know this sounds really weird.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Stuart] But like why do we lead with that?
[Meg] I I keep coming back to this moment that we had a few weeks ago where we did an intergenerational meditation as part of the morning forum.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Meg] And it was it was challenging. It was challenging for me as a facilitator who wants to create a space and that gives people who may or may not be comfortable with sitting in silence and sitting with themselves for 15 minutes, like a safe bubble. And it was, and it was safe, but it was anything but a bubble.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Meg] So, you know, people were moving around us in the room and and fluffing trees and kid and some of the, some of the.
[Brandon] Oh, that was the Sunday that they were putting up the Christmas tree.
[Meg] Uh-huh.
[Meg] And some of the youth were like moving around. And then, you know, I would occasionally open my eyes as we have been taught to do to check on to check on the circle as it as it were. Um, and you know, kids are giving each other hand motions and like tapping their watch and are like trying not to make each other laugh and I’m like, okay, like this it it is what it is. It’s exactly what it’s meant to be. And Brandon had a really wonderful way to to kind of end our time together that like we strive for this control and this perfection so so often, but being a human being is messy.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Meg] And I I think I think to that and why I feel so much trust sometimes in my own feeling compelled in a creative process, whatever it may be, is that I I also think that there’s a piece of me that my own connection to higher self, to Spirit is also messy. And in those moments where I can not be focused on like, is this going to please someone else or is this going to be the right thing, that trust overtakes everything and and that messiness doesn’t matter anymore.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Brandon] Cuz probably at the end of the day we’re all animals, you know?
[Meg] Yeah.
[Brandon] Like.
[Meg] Tell us more, Brandon.
[Brandon] I’m just saying like.
[Brandon] Incredible fashion sense.
[Meg] It is true. It is true.
[Brandon] No, just what this is like making me think of, right? This like talk of creativity and and wildness and stuff is, yeah, it’s like I guess this trust of I don’t know.
[Stuart] Well, so here, yeah, no. Say more about the trust.
[Brandon] Just like leaning into like I I’m a created being and and we try to put ourselves sort of like on this pedestal in a weird way that sterile.
[Meg] Right.
[Brandon] And it sterilizes thing.
[Meg] Yeah, yeah.
[Brandon] To say it makes it sterile and very controllable. You know, this sense of and that’s what I think it is for me. It makes it much more controllable.
[Brandon] Absolutely.
[Stuart] You know. So this goes back to the thing with dreams, you know, and poems. So I most of my poems now come like between 4:30 and 5:30 when something wakes me up either a cat or something and it’s like, so I looked up what the word is because I wanted to know. I said there has to be some word and there is a word. Hypnogogic. So the like that space, hypnogogic space, you’re not awake, but you’re not completely asleep. It’s like.
[Brandon] Oh yeah, that’s a weird place.
[Stuart] It’s a really weird place, right?
[Meg] I feel like that right now.
[Stuart] Right. So so I’ve taught myself to to trust it. Like, you know, like you said with, you know, with the herbs, I do that with this. So I’ve taught myself, I lean over, I grab my phone and I type in whatever comes without censoring it.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] And that was a big piece for me. Like, oh, the censor is awful. Don’t like smooth it out. Type it in whatever comes. So a couple nights ago it did it, you know, I have this happen again and there were usually there’s just one. This time there were two. Two completely separate, you know, seemingly separate snippets, each four lines.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] And it was clear as a bell. So the first one does not belong to me. The second one does. The but the first one, uh, and so then I I close it and I put it back up. And then I don’t look at it until I come downstairs, eat my breakfast and I sit down and I have my quiet time whenever she’s, you know, getting um, ready for school. And then I’ll read it and I’ll write it into my journal. And that’s like the next step. When I write it into my journal, I I I I claim it. When I went to write that down, I said that that is not mine. I don’t know who that belongs to. But that that should have landed and now I feel bad because you stole.
[Stuart] I feel like I stole someone else’s dream poem. It came it no. And now I don’t know what to do with it. No, no really. I mean I so so on Sunday is my my turn to kind of lay this out with this class and I’m going to use that because it added another layer to it for me. Like and there’s this great poem and for those who, you know, are listening to this, you’ve got to find there was a TED Talk with um, what’s her name? Elizabeth Gilbert. Talks about the poet Ruth Stone. So there was a poet named Ruth Stone who this would happen to her.
[Meg] She would steal other people’s poetry?
[Stuart] No. She would feel it coming in and she would have to run back to her table and sit down and write it. If she didn’t get there in time, it would leave and it would go off to someone else. And that’s the way that she really felt.
[Brandon] You either listen to this or you’ve told me about this.
[Stuart] And I for the first time got a little glimpse of what she meant because that this is not my poem. But it’s added a whole layer to it for me around the trust piece.
[Meg] Hmm.
[Brandon] Like it’s very clear.
[Meg] But you have it, you have it written down or you don’t have it written down?
[Stuart] I do. So I wrote them both.
[Brandon] Yeah, maybe you need to like burn that and release that.
[Meg] I was thinking the same thing.
[Stuart] I know. So the one or where or how where the, yeah. So it was very, very clear when I read it, I was like that, dang it, that is somebody else’s and now I have it.
[Meg] You’re just holding it for now.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Stuart] And maybe so.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] But I think this is, I mean it’s really helped teach me the weirdness of that to go back to like the weirdness. That has taught me another layer to the lesson that this this comes from somewhere else.
[Brandon] Hmm.
[Stuart] Yeah. And I can’t claim it and I can’t control it and I can’t grasp onto it.
[Meg] Which is why, which goes back to my thing about why I think we need to be in community with people who hold the space for that because it is decentering.
[Stuart] It is.
[Meg] So to have people say, no, that’s your magic. That that’s your gift and and you’ll figure it out. I can’t tell you what to do with it and I won’t.
[Stuart] That’s right.
[Meg] And I can’t even tell you exactly what it is, but we all have something. And so it’s, so how do we be in the same space to honor that for each other as we’re figuring it out?
[Stuart] That’s yeah.
[Meg] I think it’s and I think it’s a very uncomfortable maybe it is the tension that that we experience especially in the Western world when it is so productivity based.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Meg] I mean, I had a very interesting interaction this morning. I painted nine windows.
[Stuart] How big were the windows?
[Meg] Um, I mean, it took me like 45 minutes to scrape off all the paint. I don’t know. It was Whoville, you know? I was I was in the spirit. Um, but I had to take them all off today. I had to I had to make them all a clean, a clean slate. And someone walked by and they were like, uh, all that hard work.
[Stuart] There it is.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Meg] Yeah. Didn’t even think. You know what my first response was? Just goes to prove everything’s temporary.
[Brandon] There it is.
[Meg] And I and I just like it just kind of.
[Stuart] Yeah.
[Meg] And I was like, oh, that’s probably because it’s only 7:00 a.m. in the morning. I hadn’t had enough coffee. But the response was like, huh. Like and which was interesting, right? Because I was very okay with taking it all down.
[Stuart] Yeah, yeah.
[Meg] Like it served its magic, it served its purpose and now it then now it moves on. Um, but in a productivity, like it’s hard to it’s hard to hold that for each other.
[Brandon] And that’s such a pastoral. Like I’m thinking about that from another point of view would be it’s such a pastoral gift when people are in different stages in their lives to take that and put it in that space to say.
[Brandon] Oh, totally.
[Stuart] Like it really is okay. You’re you’re in a different space. You know, and you can, you can trust that it will be given to you. But the other side of that coin is when you trust that it will be given to you, you have to be willing to not respond.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Brandon] And release.
[Meg] Yeah.
[Stuart] Yeah. That’s the other side of the coin. You have to complete the circle. And that’s the hard piece. We want some something to give it to us. But then we want to own it and control it and package it and sell it.
[Meg] Do we feel like we’ve completed the circle for 2025?
[Stuart] Well, for better or worse, we have to close certain things out like, you know, attendance numbers and all of that is done on the practical side.
[Meg] But I mean personally. Like I I think that I don’t know. I mean today is also Epiphany.
[Brandon] Yeah, yeah.
[Meg] I’m kind of excited to to do my ritual of chalking my door and and kind of closing the circle out and moving in.
[Stuart] I mean we did go ahead last night and take our tree down. There was something about we wanted to take the tree down where we had.
[Meg] I’m so glad. That one light that just blinks constantly. So distracting.
[Stuart] She’s talking about when we were on a a video call, I’d set myself in front of the tree cuz I wanted to look all festive. But by doing so, there was a one light that’s all, I did have more than one light that blinked. They were just all behind my body. And there was just one light that blinked.
[Brandon] Distracting everybody.
[Meg] Right over his left ear, just blinking.
[Stuart] Beep, beep.
[Meg] Mhm.
[Stuart] No, I think this is.
[Brandon] So a whole portion of the tree blinked?
[Stuart] Yeah, they were kind of scattered in there. This is a higgledy piggledy tree. I mean.
[Brandon] Clearly.
[Stuart] It is a higgledy piggledy tree. It’s kind of.
[Meg] Those are artisanally made trees, for anyone who wanted to know what a higgledy piggledy tree is.
[Stuart] And that’s the thing that I’ll just love about it. But no, I no, I do feel like this is going to be this is going to be a good year.
[Brandon] So another conversation before Ash Wednesday?
[Stuart] Mhm. Yeah. I think we should do another one like intentions. Maybe that’s a way to come at it next is looking at where we are, things that we’re working on, things that are working on us.
[Brandon] Yeah.
[Meg] Yeah. Oh, I like that. We’ve closed the circle for 2025. What are we leaving ourselves open to, in the next year?
[Stuart] Yeah, so on Sunday we’ll pick back up with this forum. And then we’ll be good. So I’m going to go and I’m going to work on a playlist around dreams and I’m going to go look at herbs.
[Brandon] I’m going to trust in the moment.
[Meg]] I’m going to wake up at 4:30 and steal someone’s poetry.
[Stuart] Oh, I do.
[Meg] I’m just kidding.
[Stuart] I just feel bad about that. I really do. I don’t know who it belongs to.
[Brandon] I want to know who it belongs to.
[Stuart] Oh, I don’t know who it belongs to.
[Meg] But just as a bonus, as a bonus episode, maybe we’ll read it and if it’s yours….
[Stuart] Yes! Would that be fantastic? If if we read it and someone’s like, “oh my God!” You’re like, “well, here you go.” You can have it back.
[Brandon] Thanks for holding on to it for me.
[Meg] All right, so I know you’ve all waited with bated breath for this episode. Now hold out. For the stolen poem.[Stuart] And we’ll be back.